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Feed Ezy Frozen Mysis

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Feed Ezy Frozen Mysis

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Female Floating — PLEASE HELP!!

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  • #1884
    seahorsegirl
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    I have a female Erectus seahorse that suddenly got bloated and began to float on top, we have done a lot of reading on your very helpful forums about getting Diamox or trying the decompression, well.. getting the Diamox didn’t work out, so we resorted to the decompression. We have her in a critter keeper in a 40" deep 64 gallon plastic container and she has been their since Thursday around 9:00 PM EST and it is now Sunday morning and she is still not showing any improvement and still floating at the top of the critter keeper. She appears to be breathing alright from what I can see down that far with a flashlight, but we have not lifted her up to try to feed her. Can this take days to see any improvement or can this be something other than internal gas bubble disease?? and should we treat her with other medication? I have another seahorse and she seems fine and is eating well, just missing her friend. Should we try getting the PVC pipe with a longer depth, we had to act quickly and the 64 gallon container was the only thing we could fine immediately. Please HELP, we don’t know what to do at this point. We don’t want to lose her. Thank you for you time.

    #5317
    Pete Giwojna
    Guest

    Dear seahorsegirl:

    Yes, if your female Hippocampus erectus is bloated and floating, she is most likely suffering from internal gas bubble syndrome. Either her swimbladder is over inflated as a result, or excess gas is building up within her coelomic cavity and abdomen. In my experience, internal GBS is the most difficult form of gas bubble syndrome to resolve, and the least likely to respond to Diamox, especially if the seahorse is not eating and the medication cannot be administered orally via feeder shrimp that have been injected with a solution of the Diamox. Combining a good antibiotic with the Diamox will sometimes produce better results than the Diamox alone.

    If you have already treated your female with the Diamox to no avail, there are only two options that may be helpful at this point. The first of these is to manually partially deflate the seahorse’s swimbladder using a hypodermic, and, of course, the second option is to decompress the seahorse. When you are attempting decompression, the greater the depth at which the seahorse is compressed by hydrostatic pressure, the more effective the decompression is likely to be and the shorter the duration it must be maintained in order to be helpful. If you have been decompressing the seahorse at a depth of 40 inches for over three days with no change, seahorsegirl, then you may want to try decompressing her at greater depth if you can somehow manage it by using a PVC pipe to create a sort of homemade decompression chamber. But in most instances where decompression is effective in treating GBS, the seahorses have been decompressed from a depth of 10 feet or greater, which is something that is very difficult for the home hobbyist to attempt…

    Remember, after your female has been compressed at depth and you are ready to remove her from your homemade decompression chamber, she must be returned to the surface very gradually. You can either raise your female back to the surface in several stages, over a period of about an hour, or gradually lower the water level in your homemade decompression chamber in stages over a period of about an hour, in order to decompress the seahorse afterwards. Just be slow and methodical when you are decompressing her; the more gradual, the better…

    You might consider manually deflating your female’s swimbladder if you can visualize it clearly using back illumination. Manually deflating the swimbladder is accomplished much like a needle aspiration, except the needle is inserted into the gas bladder rather than the pouch. This is how Dr. Marty Greenwell from the shed aquarium describes this procedure in the 2005 Seahorse Husbandry Manual:

    "If a hyperinflated swimbladder is suspected, a bright light can be directed from behind the animal to visualize the location and borders of the distended organ. This is useful when attempting to deflate the bladder. The needle should be directed between the scute/plate margins for ease of penetration through the skin. The external area can be rinsed with sterile saline or a drop of triple antibiotic up all my appointments can be applied prior to penetration."

    The seahorse’s swimbladder is a large, single-chambered sac that begins in the band of its neck and extends 1/3 of the length of its body cavity along the dorsal surface. It’s a large organ so if you can visualize it clearly using a bright light (just like candling an egg), releasing some of the gas to partially deflate the swimbladder is fairly straightforward and uncomplicated.

    If the problem is a hyperinflated swimbladder, this simple procedure will provide your seahorse with immediate relief and cure the problem. But if you cannot make out the swimbladder clearly or if the problem is due to excess gas building up within the abdominal cavity, rather than a hyperinflated gas bladder, trying a deeper decompression chamber may be your best hope for a good outcome…

    I am sorry that I cannot be more helpful, seahorsegirl, but the prognosis is poor in cases like this when the seahorse does not respond to Diamox and/or moderate decompression.

    For future reference, keep in mind that problems with buoyancy due to a hyperinflated swimbladder can be caused by rapid fluctuations in water temperature, so be sure to maintain a stable water temperature in your seahorse tank.

    Also, you might want to search this forum for the following phrases: "preventing gas bubble disease," "preventing gas bubble syndrome," or "preventing GBS" or "preventing GBD." That should lead you to information that discusses the factors most often associated with gas bubble syndrome and some simple precautions the home hobbyist can take to minimize such problems in the future.

    Best of luck resolving this problem and restoring your female to normal again.

    Respectfully,
    Pete Giwojna

    #5318
    DavidCox1979
    Guest

    Hello seahorsegirl I hope things are working out with your female Erectus. I have had troubles with GBS when I first started keeping seahorses especially the Kudas at a juvenile age. I know it is hard to find Diamox because I have been through it. I finally called around to every Vet. in my small town, and finally one that does onsite surgeries/recoveries on animals understood that bringing a seahorse to the Vet. would probably cause more damage than that if I left it at home and came to the office to pick up the Diamox that he had on hand there. He had been in practice in this town for many years so he just charged me 5$ for the ammount that the forum describes for recommended treatment. I lucked up! I would call around to all the Vets. especially the ones that have been around for a long time. Also, if you have a teaching hospital around that has a Veteranarian practice attached to it for teaching students, it can be a cheaper office visit, and a likely way to obtain Diamox especially if the teaching hospital has an exotic pets department inside the Veternarian practice. Otherwise I would follow Pete’s advise on the decompression chamber. Diamox has it’s many uses as I understand it. As a retired military personell and nurse. Diamox has been used for glacoma, and as an injection IM for military personell that go on search and rescue missions in high altitude mountain terrians, or in deep water. From what I understand GBS in seahorses is like Vertigo in humans from rising too fast from deep water or descending too fast from high eltivations. When we loose our balance and have the sickness involved to where we can barely get out of bed to eat or what may be. As Pete advised Diamox alone in worse cases may need medicated with an antibiotic also. Just be sure to follow his advise if you can’t obtain the Diamox treatment. Make SURE you don’t re-elevate your pony too fast, and keep it hospitalized until no more signs are showing to prevent an outbreak in your display tank. I learned the hard way when I first started keeping seahorses that it can cause a fast demise to all ponies in the tank if it isn’t removed, water changed, and hospitalized until it is better before re-introducing it to the display tank. I hope this may help you obtain Diamox where you live as it IS very hard to obtain. I still have some due to my pony’s demise before treatment could be finished. Best of luck!

    #5319
    seahorsegirl
    Guest

    Hi Pete, Thank you for your information and also to DavidCox1979 for your reply as well, I appreciate everyone’s help. Well… we took her out of the 64 gallon container that was 40" tall but she was in a critter keeper that was about 8" tall, so she was really only about 32" down in the water, apparently not enough, and she looked a tiny bit less bloated, but she still was not able to swim and was floating so we went out and purchased a 7.5′ tall 6" wide PVC pipe and she is in a 1′ canister down 7.5 foot right now since last night. How long do you think we should keep her in their? she was previously in the other container for 3 days and she did not eat and I also tried late last night before she went into the deep decompression chamber, but she did not eat. Fortunately today I was lucky to obtain some Diamox, after MANY phone calls and driving 1 hour each way and paying a small fortune. I have 6 of the 250 mg tablets, so now my question is…. do I crush up the tablet and put it in the 7.5 foot pipe which holds about 15 – 20 gallons of water, how much do I need to put in or do I wait and treat her in a hospital tank after the decompression? I hope it’s not to late. We are trying everything to save her. Any more information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again for your time.

    #5320
    Pete Giwojna
    Guest

    Dear seahorsegirl:

    Wow! Good work coming up with a much deeper homemade decompression chamber and lining up some of the difficult to obtain Diamox on such short notice. Since you only have six 250 mg tablets of the Diamox and the treatment is more effective when the Diamox is combined with a good antibiotic, I would recommend reserving your precious Diamox tablets until you have transferred the seahorse to your hospital tank, and then adding a good antibiotic to the hospital tank at the same time. That will allow you to treat the seahorse for six consecutive days with your limited supply of Diamox, and you will probably need to maintain the treatments for at least that long when you are dealing with internal gas bubble disease, which is by far the most difficult form of GBD to resolve.

    So, for now, let’s rely on your homemade decompression chamber to do the job. The first thing you need to do, seahorsegirl, is to aerate your decompression chamber to keep the level of dissolved oxygen from being depleted. As you know, gas exchange takes place at the air/water interface, and there is very little surface area to the tall 7.5 foot cylinder you are using as your decompression chamber. That means that it will be ineffective using an airstone or a powerhead to try to oxygenate the water column in the cylinder.

    I would recommend using hydrogen peroxide to aerate the decompression chamber, as explained below. By my calculations, your homemade decompression chamber holds about 11 gallons of water. The volume of the decompression chamber is 2547 in.³ and dividing that volume by a figure of 231 will convert the volume in cubic inches into gallons of water, which comes out at ~11 gallons. But since the decompression chamber is not filled all of the way to the top, and the critter keeper the seahorse is in also displaces a bit of the water, let’s figure the water volume of the decompression chamber at 10 gallons to be on the safe side when dosing it with the hydrogen peroxide, seahorsegirl. You can use 3% hydrogen peroxide – which is the concentration of the household hydrogen peroxide you might purchase at the drugstore or pharmacy – in order to aerate your homemade decompression chamber.

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    Dosing tank with H202 to boost oxygen levels

    There is also another trick you can consider for raising the dissolved oxygen level in your aquarium quickly by adding a small amount of ordinary hydrogen peroxide (H202) at the right concentration to your aquarium. Hydrogen peroxide can be use as a treatment of acute oxygen insufficiency at a dose of 0.25 ml of a 3% H2O2 solution per litre of water, which is equivalent to adding 1 ml of a 3% hydrogen peroxide solution per gallon of water.

    Remember to allow for the amount of water that is displaced by the aquarium substrate and decorations when calculating how many milliliters of a 3% hydrogen peroxide solution to add to your aquarium. Be careful not to exceed the recommended dosage since adding too much of the hydrogen peroxide can be harmful. This is a one time emergency procedure for use in a crisis situation — do not add any additional hydrogen peroxide to the aquarium after the first dose.

    Contrary to popular belief, in water with relatively low organic content, the concentration of Hydrogen peroxide does not decrease significantly. Of course, any increase in organic loading will change this factor, but the bottom line is that Hydrogen peroxide does not break down as quickly as some may think. Water changes are required after treatment.
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    In other words, seahorsegirl, I would recommend adding 10 drops – but no more than 10 drops – of the 3% hydrogen peroxide solution that you may have in your medicine cabinet at home right now, or that you can obtain from your local drugstore to your homemade decompression chamber. Please do so immediately! That will assure that your very tall homemade decompression chamber has an adequate level of dissolved oxygen for your seahorse despite the extremely limited surface area at the top of the PVC pipe.

    It’s very difficult to predict how long it may take for the homemade decompression chamber to have the desired effect, seahorsegirl, because it depends on so many factors: how severe the problem with internal GBD is, how long the seahorse has been affected by this problem, how deep the homemade decompression chamber is, and whether any of the internal organs of the seahorse have suffered irreparable damage in the interim. But since it’s been several days since your female has eaten, I would recommend very slowly raising her to the surface after 24 hours in your deeper decompression chamber to check on her progress. Be sure to raise the seahorse very methodically, in several stages, taking at least an hour to bring her all the way to the surface.

    Once you have her up, I would recommend force-feeding your female by hand, which I think is your best option to see that she get some nutrition. If her positive buoyancy still isn’t resolved, she will have difficulty eating on her own, and force-feeding her as described below can buy you some more time:

    By handfeeding in this case I mean holding one entire, intact (whole and unbroken) frozen Mysis that you have carefully thawed in your fingertips and then placing the tail of the Mysid directly in the mouth of the seahorse. Many times the seahorse will simply spit it out again, but often if you can insert the Mysis into her open mouth far enough, her feeding instincts will kick in and take over so that she slurps up the frozen Mysis almost reflexively. That’s a much less stressful and less invasive method of force feeding a seahorse that sometimes works well (especially if the seahorse is accustomed to being hand fed and doesn’t shy away from the aquarist). Force feeding the seahorse by hand sounds much more difficult than it actually is, and seahorses will often respond well to this method of feeding, Claire. Even the professional curators at the large public aquariums will use this technique when their highly prized (and very expensive) seadragons are experiencing problems with weak snick.

    If her positive buoyancy has not responded, go ahead and quickly lower your female back to the bottom of the 7.5 foot tall decompression chamber for another day after you have fed her by hand as described above. You can repeat this procedure of very slowly raising and then rapidly lowering your female to the bottom of the decompression chamber again after she has had a chance to be hand fed each day for as long as necessary (although you only add the 10 drops of hydrogen peroxide to the cylinder on one occasion), seahorsegirl, but if it has not made a difference after 2-3 days, then it’s unlikely that a longer duration of pressurization will be helpful.

    In that case, I would transfer your seahorse to a 10-gallon hospital tank and begin treating with Diamox, as explained below:

    Acetazolamide Baths (prolonged immersion)

    The recommended dosage is 250 mg of acetazolamide per 10 gallons with a 100% water change daily, after which the treatment tank is retreated with the Diamox at the dosage indicated above (Dr. Martin Belli, pers. com.). Continue these daily treatments and water changes for up to 7-10 days for best results (Dr. Martin Belli, pers. com.).

    The acetazolamide baths should be administered in a hospital ward or quarantine tank. Acetazolamide does not appear to adversely affect biofiltration or invertebrates, but it should not be used in the main tank because it could be harmful to inhibit the enzymatic activity of healthy seahorses.

    Using the tablet form of acetazolamide (250 mg), crush the required amount to a very fine powder and dissolve it thoroughly in a cup or two of saltwater. There will usually be a slight residue that will not dissolve in saltwater at the normal alkaline pH (8.0-8.4) of seawater (Warland, 2002). That’s perfectly normal. Just add the solution to your hospital tank, minus the residue, of course, at the recommended dosage:

    Place the affected seahorse in the treatment tank as soon as first dose of medication has been added. After 24 hours, perform a 100% water change in the hospital tank using premixed water that you’ve carefully aerated and adjusted to be same temperature, pH and salinity. Add a second dose of newly mixed acetazolamide at the same dosage and reintroduce the ailing seahorse to the treatment tank. After a further 24 hours, do another 100% water change and repeat the entire procedure until a total of up to 7-10 treatments have been given. About 24 hours after the final dose of acetazolamide has been added to the newly changed saltwater, the medication will have lost its effectiveness and the patient can be returned directly to the main seahorse tank to speed its recovery along.

    While you are treating your female in the homemade decompression chamber, seahorsegirl, I would recommend lining up the good antibiotic that you can use together with the Diamox afterwards. Minocycline is the active ingredient in Maracyn-Two by Mardel Labs, and that is a medication that is readily available at many local pet shops and fish stores. Use the Maracyn-Two together with the Diamox when treating your female in the hospital tank.

    Best of luck resolving this difficult situation and returning your female to normal again, seahorsegirl.

    Respectfully,
    Pete Giwojna

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