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January 11, 2007 at 1:41 pm #1070Saint2966Member
Hello Pete, or Leslie,
Once and for all!! Do seahorses eat their fry? I have never witnessed any of my horses even attempting to eat fry. I have heard many professionals, including you Pete, I think state seahorses dont eat their babies. Tonight while in an online chat, I was in the middle of a huge discussion. Some of these people have been breeding for years and swear they have witnessed this take place personally. I have only had a few batches of fry, and at no time did I witness any child eating. I did have some disappearances. I blamed them on the scavengers, crabs, peppermint shrimp and of course the most obvious, the filter fish, LOL. They claim to have watched, Erectus especially, hunt down and eat fry. I think if anyone would know for sure Pete, you have done this long enough. So what is the verdict?
Poor Erectus what a bad reputation they have aquired.:ohmy:January 11, 2007 at 10:13 pm #3265Pete GiwojnaGuest
Cannibalism in seahorses is very uncommon. It does occasionally occur among seahorses with pelagic fry, but such episodes are normally rare exceptions. Hippocampus erectus is not typically known for this, but it does take place in very isolated incidents. I have never personally witnessed a case of cannibalism in H. erectus. Hippocampus erectus fry undergo an abbreviated pelagic phase and ever once in a while there are reports of cannibalism, but 99% of the time erectus make model parents.
However, some species are more prone to this aberrant behavior than others. For example, unlike most seahorses, captive-bred Hippocampus abdominalis are confirmed cannibals under certain circumstances. This unusual behavior does not appear to be a consequence of dietary deficiencies or overcrowding. Rather, it seems to be due to the simple fact that cultured Pots are accustomed to being fed; rather than hunting for live prey along the bottom, they expect their prey to be introduced from the surface and come down to them like manna from heaven. They are thus conditioned to take anything above them in the water column within the right size range that drifts past, and unfortunately this includes surface-hugging pelagic fry.
As a case in point, David Warland experienced cannibalism of fry by young Potbelly adults 18-24 months old maintained at a stocking density of 30 seahorses per 800 liters (211 gallons). Since that’s one seahorse for every 26.6 liters (7 gallons), he does not believe over stocking was a factor in the cannibalism, nor did hunger play a role since the H. abdominalis were fed to capacity 4-5 times daily during daylight hours (sunup to sundown).
Surprisingly, when cannibalism does occur, it is often the female that’s the culprit. That is the case with H. comes, one of the few seahorses species that is known to cannibalize its young on occasion (Neil Garrick-Maidment, pers. comm.). When this happens with Tigertails, it is typically the accompanying female who begins predating the fry as her mate gives birth (Lesley Holland, pers. comm.). The male may then follow suit as well and the entire brood can quickly be destroyed (Lesley Holland, pers. comm.). Once a pair of Tigertails turns cannibal, this unnatural behavior is likely to become habitual, putting their future offspring at risk.
In all my years, I have only once heard reports of any such problems from seahorses with benthic fry, and in that case it was the least likely culprits you could imagine which were at fault — female dwarf seahorses (H. zosterae). Now, cannibalism is of course unknown in H. zosterae, since the adult dwarfs are much too small to swallow even newborn fry, but apparently infanticide is not. This is what Joanne Heuter, a very accomplished breeder of dwarf seahorses, reports in that regard:
"The adult females will sometimes kill the newborns by snapping the back of their necks with their heads. I don’t know why, maybe competition for food, your guess is as good as mine. This is the only act of aggression I have ever noted in the dwarf seahorses…. I keep the babies away from the main tank for at least three weeks after birth."
Cannibalism is really quite rare in seahorses, so the hobbyist need not be overly concerned by this possibility, although there are a few species such as H. abdominalis and H. comes that seem to be a bit more predisposed to this bizarre behavior. Seahorse keepers, and Potbelly and Tigertail breeders in particular, should simply be aware that cannibalism could occur and be on guard lest it becomes a problem.
When it comes to your Mustangs and Sunbursts, cannibalism is an extreme rarity. So if you have a pregnant male and are expecting a brood shortly, don’t worry — when the big moment arrives, the odds are overwhelmingly in your favor that Mr. Mom will be a regular Dr. Spock when it comes to his offspring, not a Hannibal Lector!
Best of luck with your seahorses had their future progeny, Cindy!
Post edited by: Pete Giwojna, at: 2007/01/12 15:49January 13, 2007 at 12:57 pm #3280Saint2966Guest
This would explain the controversy, Its possible, but not probable. I also think its the first explanation that comes to mind when babies are missing. No one does enough research into cleaning crews and filtration systems etc. I have seen; personally, my peppermint shrimp eat other shrimp as large as they are in minutes. I usually blame them for any fry losses in my tank. I have never viewed a shrimp eating fry, but I see how they scurry from under a rock, and snatch pcs of mysis shrimp that are a lot larger than newborn erectus, at feeding time. The shrimp cannibalism was out of the norm as well. This was right after my cycle, and I didnt have any live stock. You gotta feed cleaners or they will feed themselves. :blush:
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