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October 26, 2006 at 11:36 am #964trulyshyMember
Ok, I have been able to keep my PH stable and my calcium is up. The end of this week was a good week for me to order and recieve my new little horses.
I am anxiously awaiting them today.
I might need some \"hand holding\" until I get them used to their new home, feeding and so on….
I have a question….
I have gotten my calcium level back up to 450, but have noticed it drops pretty fast.. I mean, on the bottle it says that maintainance should be every other week or sometimes once a week. I find that after a few days the calcium has dropped again. Is this normal? Or is it becuase the tank has been so low for a long time?
I also have to adjust my PH every other day. Is this normal too? I called the LFS and asked if it were normal for my RO/destilled water to be so low on PH (thinking this is the root of the cause) and they said it was normal…. talk about feeling like a fool wanting to get RO water that had higher PH…
Anyways, I was just wondering if it were normal to have to constantly adjust like that, since again here on the bottle it says you probably need to do it once a week…
Just making sure I\’m doing it right.
Thanks for being there for me!
PS if you don\’t mind I will keep you guys posted on how things are going after they have arrvied.October 26, 2006 at 2:57 pm #2950Pete GiwojnaGuest
It sounds like you are back on the right track. Yes, your calcium levels may be dropping faster than expected because the calcium levels have been deeply to for so long. That should stabilize over time as you continue to add the supplements according to directions. Once your calcium levels have stabilized, your pH will also be more resistant to abrupt changes as well, and vice versa.
The pH in a small, closed system aquarium is somewhat dynamic, changing predictably throughout the day. Normal daily fluctuations in pH are to be expected in the aquarium, and are generally gradual enough not to be stressful. These changes are related to variations in photosynthesis, calcium, dissolved oxygen, carbon dioxide, and redox levels that naturally occur in the aquarium. Daily variances in chemical, physical and biological phenomena are a fact of life in aquaria, linked to the light and dark cycles and the diurnal rhythms of captive aquatic systems.
For example, the pH of aquarium water typically peaks after the lights have been on all day at a maximum of perhaps 8.4, only to drop to low of below 8.0 overnight. This is related to photosynthesis and the fact that zooanthellae and green plants consume CO2 and produce O2 when there is adequate light, but reverse that process in the dark, consuming O2 and giving off CO2. Redox levels, available calcium and other water quality parameters are affected in similar ways.
In short, it’s important to check your pH and calcium readings at the same time every day (otherwise you may just be seeing normal daily variations in pH). Expect the pH to be highest in the evening after the aquarium lights have been on all day and photosynthesis has been consuming CO2 and releasing O2 throughout the day. Likewise, expect your pH to be lowest in the early morning, after the ligths have been off all night, and photosynthetic organism have been consuming O2 and giving off CO2 throughout the night.
So be sure to monitor your pH and calcium the same time of day when you perform your test, Christine. If you are merely detecting daily fluctuations due to the factors we have been discussing, that’s nothing to be overly concerned about.
Yes, indeed — RO/DI water is very soft and must therefore be buffered before adding it to your aquarium in order to prevent it from lowering the pH. However, your question was not foolish, since many pet stores will offer RO water that they have buffered to raise the pH back to normal as an option.
While you are waiting for your new seahorses to arrive, the best thing you could do to assure that everything goes well is to review the acclimation procedures in advance so there is no uncertainty when the big moment arrives. Just make sure you acclimate them carefully when they arrive, taking no more than 20-30 minutes to complete the procedure, as explained below:
Acclimating New Arrivals
Acclimating newly arrived seahorses properly after their transoceanic, cross-country journey is absolutely vital. It’s not like acclimating the new specimens you bring home after a quick trip back from your local fish store. The long distances and prolonged transit times involved make proper care of the new arrivals once they finally reach you a far more urgent matter. The reason for this is that all the while the seahorses are en route, they are excreting wastes and respiring in the dark shipping box — consuming oxygen (O2) and giving off carbon dioxide (CO2). That means two things: deadly ammonia is steadily building up in the shipping bag and the pH is steadily dropping, making the water more acidic.
This downward pH shift is actually helpful in that ammonia is less toxic at low pH and becomes much more toxic at higher pH. This is because ammonia exists in water in an equilibrium between two different forms — a nontoxic ionized form usually referred to as ammonium (NH4+) and an un-ionized form (NH3), which is highly toxic. Ammonium (NH4+) is completely harmless to fishes since the ionized ammonia molecule cannot cross the cell membrane and enter their cells. Note that only difference between harmless NH4+ and deadly NH3 is the addition of a hydrogen ion (H+), which converts toxic ammonia to nontoxic ammonium. At low pH, the extra hydrogen ions (H+) of acidic water are readily available to attach to the ammonia molecule, converting most of the ammonia to ammonium: NH3 + H+ —> NH4+. But at high pH, under alkaline conditions, exactly the opposite occurs. At high pH, the abundance of hydroxide ions (OH-) in alkaline water strips the extra hydrogen ion (H+) away from ammonium, rapidly converting most of it to deadly ammonia: OH- + NH4+ —> NH3 + H20. In other words, the higher (more alkaline) the pH, the more ammonia is present in the dangerous un-ionized form (NH3), which easily crosses cell membranes and enters the body.
This should make it easier to understand exactly what is happening in the shipping bag. As the seahorses breathe, consuming O2 and giving of CO2, the pH of the water drops and more of the ammonia (NH3) they produce is assimilated into harmless ammonium (NH4+). So the decrease in pH that occurs during long-distance shipping is actually protecting the new arrivals somewhat — until we open the shipping bag! Once the shipping bag is opened, CO2 begins offgassing from the bag water and fresh O2 begins entering the water, and as the pH begins to rise in response and return to normal, the ammonia in the water becomes increasingly poisonous. And when we begin to add alkaline water with a pH of 8.0-8.4 from the main tank to the shipping bag, we are accelerating the pH shift and converting ever more of the ammonium (NH4+) to deadly ammonia (NH3). The suddenly high concentration of ammonia in the water quickly diffuses into the seahorse’s cells, and acclimating the new arrivals becomes a race against ammonia poisoning just that quickly.
Acclimating farm-raised seahorses properly is therefore the art of achieving the proper balance between two conflicting needs: the need to get them out of the toxic shipping water as quickly as possible and the need to allow them to adjust to tank conditions as gradually as is practical. Here’s how to proceed:
1) Open the shipping box away from any bright lights. Remember that seahorses don’t have eyelids — removing them from total darkness and suddenly plunging them in bright light can be very stressful! Darken the room lights and turn off the aquarium lights before you remove the shipping bags from the box.
2) Float the shipping bag in your tank, or better yet in a clean container filled 2/3 of the way with water from the aquarium, for about 10 minutes to equalize temperatures. (Those shipping bags can be dirty and germ laden!)
3) Once the temperature has been equalized, partially open the shipping bag and check the parameters of the shipping water (temperature, salinity or specific gravity, and especially the pH). Compare those readings to the conditions in the destination tank. That will tell how you quickly you can proceed with the acclimation process. The specific gravity is not that critical. Seahorses tolerate a wide range of salinities and are very adaptable in that regard. If the water in the shipping bag and the water in the destination tank are equal in temperature, fairly close in specific gravity, and within 0.1 of each other in pH, you may introduce the seahorses to the tank right away without the need for any further acclimation. If the temp or pH are slightly off, you can acclimate the seahorses to tank conditions in one or two steps. And if the temp, pH, or specific gravity is off considerably, you will need to adjust the seahorses to tank conditions carefully in three or more steps.
4) The first of these steps is to add 1 cup of tank water to the shipping bag. Wait 10 minutes to allow the seahorses to adjust to any differences in tank water you just added.
5) Do NOT aerate the shipping bag while you are waiting. I know it seems a helpful thing to do, and your first inclination will be to add an airstone or airline to the shipping bag, but that can have disastrous consequences! Aerating the shipping water will accelerate the upward shift in pH and hasten the conversion of harmless ammonium (NH4+) to toxic ammonia (NH3). Aerating the shipping bag during acclimation will thus put the new arrivals at grave risk from ammonia poisoning! Don’t do it.
6) After 10 minutes have elapsed, remove 1 cup of water from the shipping bag and add another cup of water from the tank. Wait 10 minutes to allow the seahorses to adjust, and if they remain undistressed, repeat this procedure again. Judging from how great the initial discrepancy was in water quality parameters, this procedure can be repeated as often as necessary to adjust the seahorses to the tank conditions gradually, but try to complete the acclimation process within 30 minutes after the shipping bag was opened, if at all possible.
7) Observe the new arrivals closely for any signs of ammonia poisoning throughout the acclimation process. The symptoms to look are a loss of equilibrium, hyperexcitability, increased respiration and oxygen uptake, and increased heart rate. At extreme ammonia levels, fish may experience convulsions, coma, and death. Seahorses exposed to less extreme ammonia levels will struggle to breathe. They will be lethargic and exhibit rapid respiration. They may appear disoriented, periodically detaching from their hitching posts only to sink to the bottom. Don’t panic at the first sign of rapid breathing, but if you detect any of the more serious symptoms of ammonia toxicity, stop acclimating and get the seahorses into the destination tank immediately! Don’t hesitate! Your seahorses will tolerate an emergency transfer far better than they can withstand prolonged exposure to high levels of deadly ammonia in the shipping bag.
8) If all goes well, you can release the seahorses into the destination tank at your leisure following a 2- or 3-step acclimation process. I do not like to use an aquarium net to transfer seahorses, since their delicate fins and snouts can become entangled in the netting all too easily. I much prefer to transfer the seahorses by hand. Simply wet your hand and fingers (to avoid removing any of the seahorse’s protective slime coat) and scoop the seahorses in your hand. Allow them to curl their tail around your fingers and carefully cup their bodies in your hand to support them while you lift them out of the water. When you gently immerse your hand in the destination tank, the seahorse will release its grip and swim away as though nothing out of the ordinary has happened. Take care to get as little of the noxious water from the shipping bags as possible into the aquarium when you transfer the seahorses. Discard the impure shipping water when you are finished.
9) Leave the aquarium light off and let the seahorses settle down and adjust to their strange new surroundings at their own speed. Don’t attempt to feed them for the first day. Just give them plenty of room and allow them to settle in and investigate their new home in peace and quiet. Admire them from afar. The next morning you can turn on the aquarium light at the usual time and offer them their first meal.
Don’t let the discussion of ammonia poisoning and shipping stress above worry you, Christine. It’s not meant to alarm you in the least, only to explain why it’s important to complete the acclimation procedure quickly (which is why drip acclimating the seahorses is counterproductive and could even be harmful) and what to do in the extremely unlikely event an emergency should arise during acclimation. In all probability, your seahorses will arrive in excellent condition and not stressed out in the least, and even when shipping stress is a factor, the seahorses typically recover quickly and are back to normal by the following day.
In short, if you follow these instructions when you acclimate your new arrivals, your seahorses should thrive.
Best of luck with your new arrivals, Christine!
Pete GiwojnaOctober 26, 2006 at 5:06 pm #2952trulyshyGuest
My new arrivals are here!! And already in their new home. Well, they arrived shortly after my first post… so in the meantime I took an early lunch and brought them home.
I read you post and the acclimation procedure as posted on the website.
They are sooo beautiful. They look much much better right from the start than the wild caught ones I had before. Now I can truly see the difference. If I would have known this before, than just looking at the others would have been a warning sign in itself to stay away from them.
Anyways, they are doing fine. The male was somewhat "fighting" in his bag. The female on the other hand was calm. Because of this I kept a close eye on him from a distance.
After placing them in the tank (no nets, carefully holding them…) they each swam away calmly from my hand.
When I last looked the male was visiably breathing with his snout. This made me a bit uneasy, but all I can do is leave them alone to get used to their new home. He does look alert, and did swim around a bit to investigate his new home. Because he was alert and curious, I did not think too much of his breathing. When I left he had hitched himself to the one coral gorgonian and was watching the female.
The female is breathing normal and started wondering what this scooter blenny was… she kept following him. Staying near the male, but none the less took quit a fancy to Sweetlips…
Gosh, I am so nervous!!
The lights are off in the tank and only aluminated from the light coming in through the windows (no worries, no direct light hits the tank).
ChristineOctober 26, 2006 at 8:59 pm #2953Pete GiwojnaGuest
So far so good. It sounds like you did a good job of acclimating them and that the new arrivals are settling in and exploring their new surroundings. The male seems like he is a little stressed out, but nothing serious; just give them plenty of peace and quiet for now as you have been doing, and his breathing should gradually returned to normal. Try offering them some of the live red feeder shrimp tomorrow morning, and let us know if they both eat and if the stallion’s respiration has improved (compare his breathing rate to that of the female, who seems to be thriving).
In the meantime, just try to relax and enjoy your beauties from afar, Christine! Optimum water quality, a stress-free environment, and plenty of peace and quiet is all they should need for now.
Best of luck with your new seahorses, Christine!
Pete GiwojnaOctober 27, 2006 at 11:55 am #2955trulyshyGuest
A ray of hope… but than again!!
Good morning. Seems like things are looking up this morning. I fed them this morning with the live shrimp that was delivered with, and after a few minutes my girl actually ate two!!! YES!!
The boy, well, he is still turning his back to me as if to say, "You tore me away from my drinking buddies……..life sucks!!!" But, he was eyeing the food… So I’m thinking he just needs a little more time.
Ok, now the BUT part…. over night it seems I have lost over half of my shrimp!! I don’t know why…. I took some water out and put some of my tank water in and gave them a bit flake food.
Continuing at that rate, by tonight or latest tomorrow morning they will all be gone.
This morning I tried exchanging even more water, hoping I’m doing good and not that that was what they couldn’t take and I should have left the original water….
Now I feel like I am under time pressure to get my babies to look at the frozen food. I have never seen shrimp like that in any of my LFS stores here.
Any suggestions?October 27, 2006 at 1:53 pm #2956Pete GiwojnaGuest
Thanks for the update. It sounds like your female is settling in just fine, but I am a little more concerned about your male. Ordinarily, they can’t resist those live red feeder shrimp (Halocaridina rubra) so it’s unusual that the stallion didn’t go right after some of them. If he is obviously interested in them, that’s encouraging, but I would like to hear that they has begun eating.
How is his breathing this morning, Christine? Is his respiration rate similar to that of the female, who is doing well? Let me know if his breathing is significantly slower or faster than the female. Or if his breathing is labored or he’s exhibiting any signs of respiratory distress. If his breathing still hasn’t returned to normal, he could still be having some lingering aftereffects from exposure to ammonia while in the shipping bag, in which case I might benefit from a bath or dip in methylene blue.
How was he acting otherwise, Christine? Is he able to switch normally and perch on the hitching posts with the usual upright seahorse posture? If he is alert, with good eye movement, and swimming and acting normally with a respiration rate that similar to the female, then perhaps only needs is a low more time to get adjusted to his new surroundings.
Of course, the die off of your red feeder shrimp is also a cause for concern. Those little buggers are pretty darn hardy, but they shouldn’t be kept in the original shipping water. When they arrived, they should be acclimated and introduced to a holding container with good water quality as soon as possible. This doesn’t need to be anything fancy at all — just a clean plastic bucket equipped with an airstone will do nicely.
If the red feeder shrimp are still in their original shipping water, then they are beginning to die off due to pH shock and the build up of ammonia within the shipping container. If that’s the case, Christine, I would immediately acclimate the survivors and transfer them to fresh saltwater in a suitable container as described below.
ACCLIMATION PROCEDURES for red feeder shrimp:
Be Sure to Check the specific gravity to 1.0114!!
Prepare NEW water. Do NOT rely on the water the animals are shipped in for holding these shrimp. Check that the salinity of your holding tank is the same as the shipping water. If it is not adjust your holding tank so it is the same as the shipping water BEFORE acclimating. If you do not do this you will kill the shrimp. All other parameters must be within acceptable ranges.
Please acclimate slowly. The best way is to:
1. Float the bag in your tank for about 20 – 30 minutes to equalize temperatures.
2. Then partially open the bag and add 1 cup of tank water.
3. Wait 10 minutes.
4. Remove 1 cup of water and add another cup of water from the tank.
5. Wait 10 minute.
6. Gently release the animals into the tank, discarding the water left in the bag.
7. Do not feed until the day after arrival and acclimation.
As you can see, Christine, your red feeder shrimp should be acclimated and transferred to a holding container within 20 minutes or so after you open the bag. This abbreviated acclimation procedure protects them against pH shock or ammonia poisoning. So if you left the feeder shrimp in their original water, please correct that at once to save as many of the survivors as possible. Don’t worry about acclimating them for temperature — they should be at the ambient room temperature by now. Just skip that step and follow the others.
Here is some additional information on Volcano shrimp or red feeder shrimp that you may find useful, Christine:
You will find the red feeder shrimp (Halocaridina rubra) to be easy to keep and relatively undemanding to culture, although their numbers build up very gradually due to their naturally slow rate of reproduction.
Red feeder shrimp or volcano shrimp, as they are sometimes known, prefer brackish conditions and breed best at reduced salinity (1.0145-1.0168) but they adapt well to full strength saltwater and will survive indefinitely is a marine aquarium. They are a perfect "feed-and-forget" treat for large seahorses! As a rule they don’t need a great deal of room. The size of the tank you’ll need depends on the number of shrimp your dealing with and whether you want to maintain and ongoing culture or simple keep them alive until needed. A 5-10 gallon tank will generally suffice for 500-600 of these shrimp and biological filtration of some sort is desirable for keeping them long term. A simple sponge filter will do.
Here is some additional information about these shrimp that may be of interest to those of you who are interested in keeping or culturing these colorful little crustaceans:
RED FEEDER SHRIMP from Hawaii (Halocaridina rubra)
* Excellent nutritional value
* Irresistible to all the greater seahorses.
* Feed-and-Forget — lasts forever in saltwater!
* Easy to enrich.
* Simple to gut-load.
* Can be cultured using simple techniques and the most basic setups.
* Reproduces slowly; difficult to build up a large population.
Specific gravity: 1.0145-1.0168; pH: 8.0-8.3
Temperature: 68 degrees F – 73 degrees F (20 degrees C – 23 degrees C)
These fabulous little feeder shrimp can be kept indefinitely in a spare 2-10 gallon tank, or even a clean, plastic bucket, that has be filled with clean saltwater and equipped with an airstone for aeration. Neither a heater nor a fancy filtration system is required. They thrive at room temp and reduced salinity (1.015-1.016), and all they require is an airstone (or a simple air-operated foam filter at most) to keep the water oxygenated, with perhaps a little coral rubble as substrate and a clump or two of macroalgae (sea lettuce, Ogo, Gracilaria) to shelter in. They’re easy to feed — they feed primarily on algal mats and bacteria — but they will accept vegetable-based flake foods and pellets such as various Spirulina products. They are filter feeders and can also be fed with yeast or commercially prepared foods for filter-feeding invertebrates. Many people find an easy way to feed them is to place a small piece of algae-encrusted live rock in their holding tank; once they clean it off, simply replace it with a new piece of algae rock. But if you want to culture them, I’d recommend ordering the special shrimp food formulated just for them when you order your feeder shrimp from Hawaii. It’s designed to meet all their needs and requirements.
These tiny red feeder shrimp (Halocaridina rubra) are native to Hawaii where they inhabit underground lava tubes. Brackish pools collect in the cracks, crevices and depressions in the lava below the water table, thus forming the habitat for the shrimp. The brackish water that fills these pools consists of intrusive seawater diluted by freshwater that percolates downward. Because of their lava-tube habit, they are sometimes called Hawaiian Volcano Shrimp.
Native Hawaiians call them Opa’e-ula, and they are unique among the several different species anchialine pond shrimp in being small, social, herbivorous shrimp that feed mainly on algae and bacteria. They are known to feed on insects that drown in the lava tubes. When conditions are favorable, they may feed en masse at the surface in swarms of countless individuals that turn the water red.
Halocaridina rubra look like miniature, bite-size Peppermint Shrimp, and all seahorses save the miniature species go absolutely nuts for them! They are very nutritious and eat a varied, omnivorous diet. They are perfect for seahorses in every way.
Unfortunately, it is very difficult to culture these shrimp in any quantity, since they reproduce slowly and the females only carry 12 to 14 eggs. They spawn but 4 or 5 times and produce an average of only 5-10 larvae per spawn. The larvae hatch as free-swimming, yolked zoeae after a brooding period of 38 days. Larval development is abbreviated with four zoeal stages and one megalopial stage occurring before they reach the first juvenile stage. Duration of the larval stages in the aquarium is 24 to 27 days at 22 to 23 degrees C.
However, they can be purchased in quantity (up to 500 shrimp) at very reasonable prices from Hawaii, and they are easy to keep alive indefinitely, making them ideal to keep around as an occasional treat for your seahorses.
So that’s the rundown on your red feeder shrimp, Christine. I suspect that they have simply been left in the original shipping water too long, and that you can stop the die off if you acclimate them and place them in new saltwater at the salinity suggested above.
Since your supply of live feeder shrimp has been depleted, it’s important for your new arrivals to begin eating frozen Mysis again as soon as possible. The following link will direct you to some detailed feeding suggestions which should be helpful in that regard, Christine The feeding suggestions are listed in my response to a discussion on the Ocean Rider Club under the subject "Not feeding? Or just pods?" You can read them online at the following URL:
Click here: Seahorse.com – Seahorse, Sea Life, Marine Life, Aquafarm Sales, Feeds and Accessories – Re:Not feeding…
Check your current aquarium parameters (temperature, pH, and the ammonia, nitrite, and nitrite readings) and let me know those readings when you update me regarding the male’s breathing rate and behavior, Christine.
Best of luck with the newcomers, Christine! Here’s hoping you’re able to salvage some of the red feeder shrimp and that both seahorses are back on their staple diet of frozen Mysis very soon.
Pete GiwojnaOctober 27, 2006 at 9:20 pm #2958trulyshyGuest
Your right, my mistake was to take them out of the original water…. I did substitute some water, but obviously it was not right….
Before I continue with the shrimp…
Both are eating good this afternoon. At first I could only get the female to eat, but with her I got a pretty good technique down packed. After she downed about 7 shrimp I thought I’d try my newly found method with him and bingo, he went after the shrimp. I got about 5 in him. After this they didn’t seem as eager to "hunt" the shrimp. So, I thought enough for now.
My method… well, they have hooked themselves on the cord of one of my power heads. for some reason the exact same spot as the others always did too. Anyways. at first I this this is the worst place to be because it is was up high. But, now it was the best place.
I have a very clear turkey paster. I put on shrimp in the baster and held the baster up against the glass where the horses were perched. I let a little water in the baster and made the water move. The shrimp began to swim but couldn’t get out. as soon as the horse went to grab it I tilted the end of the baster a bit away from the glass allowing the shrimp to escape into the awaiting sea horse. I’m hoping this method will work with the frozen shrimp.
I will try this, since my shrimp are diminsioning fast… I will salvage the rest as you said, but I won’t have a lot to last even so.
If this does not work with the frozen shrimp Plan B is to order some more shrimpt overnight. I know this will cost me a pretty penny, but at least I will have some more time to train them to eat the frozen shrimp.
I am sure you can tell, he is doing fine. He is breathing normally and was very interested in hunting and did eat 5 shrimp. I don’t know if this is alot for a sea horse or not, but I think it was great!! I am sooo happy.
Do you think my back up plan to get some shrimp ASAP on Monday or Tuesday if I can’t get them to eat the frozen one will be ok??
Or would you recommend ordering some tonight no matter what?
I am sooo excited!! THEY ATE!!!!
ChristineOctober 27, 2006 at 9:57 pm #2959trulyshyGuest
I ment NOT to take them out of the original water… in the last post..
I could just kick myself in the butt for not thinking farther than my nose. I just killed about 100 dollars worth of shrimp because of my own stupidity!!!
You know, I just HATE learning the hard way….
I don’t know why I was thinking the shrimp don’t need to be put in different water.
I guess because when I buy brine shrimp from my LFS, I keep them in the water they come with and just do mini water changes, but those shrimp haven’t been underways for soooo long and haven’t been in a closed container that long… and and and…. grrrrr
Sorry, I had to vent.
COctober 28, 2006 at 3:17 am #2960Pete GiwojnaGuest
Thanks for the update! It’s great to hear that both of the new arrivals are eating now. That’s an excellent indication that they will be just fine and are already starting to feel at home.
That was a very clever method you have devised for delivering the red feeder shrimp to the seahorses while they are hitched high up in the water column! I know a great many seahorse keepers who find a turkey baster to be indispensable for target feeding seahorses with frozen Mysis, but your technique is the perfect way to tempt them with live food under the circumstances.
As an added benefit, now that they are already used to feeding from the turkey baster, I am confident that you’ll soon have them taking the frozen Mysis right from the tip of the baster as well. I don’t think they’ll discriminated all between the live feeder shrimp moving right down the barrel of the baster or a lifelike frozen mysids shrimp moving down the barrel of the feeder. It sounds to me like you’ll have them trained back onto a staple diet of frozen Mysis before you know it, Christine.
The way things are going, your backup plan to order additional red feeder shrimp ASAP next Monday or Tuesday if necessary sounds perfectly sensible. I’m betting you won’t be needing them at all and that you’ll have your Ocean Riders eating right out of your hand very quickly. (For a hungry seahorse, it’s one short step from taking shrimp from the tip of a baster to accepting frozen Mysis from right your fingertips.)
Don’t feel too bad about losing some of the red feeder shrimp, Christine. It sounds like they’ve already served their purpose and I should have made sure to include the acclimation instructions for the shrimp along with the proper procedure for acclimating your seahorses in my post to you on the day they were due to arrive.
Best of luck with your new seahorses, Christine!
Pete GiwojnaOctober 28, 2006 at 5:01 am #2961trulyshyGuest
Thanks Pete for you encouraging words!! I will keep you guys posted and also try to get some pictures of the tank and my horses.
You’ve all been a great help!!!!
christineOctober 29, 2006 at 12:17 am #2966trulyshyGuest
YES!!! They ate frozen food this evening!!! I am sooooo sooooooo soooo happy!!!
Now I just have to practice with the vibrance. I was a little clumsy using it and don’t think it turned out how it should.
I am going back and riding the instuctions you gave me Pete, in using vibrance again and practice practice practice..
ChristineOctober 29, 2006 at 4:32 am #2968carrieincoloradoGuest
I hope to be somewhere in your shoes in the next month or so, finally getting my horses, so reading your posts have been very helpful! Thanks!October 29, 2006 at 1:06 pm #2970trulyshyGuest
It’s been a bit of a bumpy ride for me. I worry so much about them! Right now things are looking good.
They are still a bit shy and stay hitched to one place in the tank. I did notice though from afar yesterday that they do start to noisy around the tank.
The girl is a bit more couragous, but I kind of suspected that. I read that the boys can be a little more catious and shy. As long as they keep eating, I’m fine.
Right now I have to find them one at a time, no feeding station yet. But that is ok with me, as long as they eat and are happy.
My next plan was to get a feeding station or see if I get a small "tray" up where they like staying hitched. If I can get them to eat from that, than I will gradually lower the tray to where I would like the feeding station to be.
But, I want to make sure the next few days they continue to eat as they did the last few days.
I think the hardest think will be to find a feeding tray.
Carrie, I’d be thrilled to hear how are things are going with you and your horses as soon as things start going in your tank.
ChristineOctober 29, 2006 at 8:11 pm #2975Pete GiwojnaGuest
Woohoo! That’s great that the new arrivals are`eating the frozen Mysis already — well done!
Don’t worry about your Vibrance-technique right now, Christine — that will come with practice. You’ll soon develop a method that works well for your schedule and needs. The main thing is to keep them eating well, and you’re doing a great job with that!
Best of luck with your new seahorses, Christine! I’m sure you’ll be able to locate a suitable feeding trough for your seahorses without any trouble.
Pete GiwojnaOctober 30, 2006 at 2:43 am #2983trulyshyGuest
:woohoo: They are still eating!!!
I made a make shift feeding station. We haven’t really gotten it down packed yet, but i did get both of them to start eating there. I mean I just can’t empty the shrimp onto the "tray" and they eat yet.
I still use the turkey baster but let the food out ontop of the tray and they go for it.
I have some pictures, also of my make shift tray. But, don’t know how to post them…..
I tried finding a tray/feeder online, but couldn’t find anything. I saw this worm cone feeder and started thinking…
I had some parts from an old power head I had, so I started playing around with the parts and got a mini tray made.
I used the suction cup frame that held the power head, and than I took the outlet "tube" with the flat diffuser. I stuck the diffuser on the tube, where it was ment to go anyways, and than stuck that into the suction cup frame… doesn’t look like much, but hey, they can hitch up to it and the shrimp stay.
If anyone can give me some hints on how to post the pictures, I’d love to do so…..
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