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October 10, 2015 at 1:32 pm #2097seabiscuit27970Member
Hi Pete, I recently treated my Erectus for Popeye and gas bubble. She did great, treated with diamox. I was feeding her prawns, live shrimp and pods. The shrimp and pods I have delivered once a week and she would go nuts when I added them. She would only eat the frozen prawns after she ate all the live shrimp. After 3 days of diamox she started snicking small mysis. She would look at the shrimp like she was interested, but never went after them. I put her back in the display tank after five days. She still will not eat live shrimp or prawns. I can put a prawn in her feeder and all the live shrimp will come to her and crawl all over the feeder and she still will not try. I noticed the tip of her snout looked lighter than the rest of her (she is red) and looked inflamed. I moved her back to the QT and started triple sulfa and kanaplex thinking maybe snout rot? During my research, I come across your article on weak snick. Im not sure now what I should be treating for.She is still eating mysis in the QT tank. When I added the pods this week, she snicked one and started jerking and thrashing around. All the parameters are good. She is in a 40 gallon with a scooter blenney, a cleaner goby, and a blue striped pipe fish. All have been tank mates for 6 months.October 10, 2015 at 3:43 pm #5800seabiscuit27970Guest
She is eating and moving around fine today in the QT. I added some bigger food with the mysis. She would look at it but not try to snick it. Her snout looks better, maybe I over reacted??October 11, 2015 at 6:25 pm #5801seabiscuit27970Guest
Hi Pete, I read your post about over medicating making things worse. Her snout looked normal today, so I thought I would try a fresh water dip to see if it would improve her snick. I have done this once before and she handled it fine. Today she stayed in for nine minutes before thrashing around. I put her back in the tank and she immediately curled up on the bottom. She is still breathing but I cant get her to stay in an upright position. Did I make things worse?October 12, 2015 at 1:15 pm #5802Pete GiwojnaGuest
As long as your seahorse is still eating frozen Mysis, you can treat him with oral antibiotics easily while he is still in the main tank, where he is the most at home and comfortable, simply by pre-medicating the frozen Mysis you feed to him with the appropriate medications.
I would recommend NeoPlex, which contains neomycin sulfate, a potent aminoglycoside antibiotic, and Focus, which contains a good nitrofuran antibiotic and is designed specifically to bind medications to frozen food and make it more palatable to the aquarium fish. Both the NeoPlex and the focus are manufactured by SeaChem Labs and are readily available online as well as from local pet shops and local fish stores that carry SeaChem products.
Here is some more information about the SeaChem NeoPlex and how to combine it with SeaChem Focus so that you can mix. The resulting powder with frozen Mysis and administer antibiotic therapy to your seahorses orally:
Both the NeoPlex and the Focus come with little scoops for measuring out the proper dose of the medication, Seabiscuit, and preparing the frozen Mysis with the medications is actually pretty easy. First, you want to find out how much of the Mysis you are using amounts to a tablespoon. I imagine that several of the cubes of Mysis would be needed to fill a tablespoon after you have thawed it out as usual. (It’s important to find out how much of the thawed Mysis constitutes 1 tablespoon because the correct dosage for NeoPlex is one scoop or measure per tablespoon of Mysis.)
Once you have thawed out 1 tablespoon of the frozen Mysis, you then measure out one scoop of the NeoPlex and five scoops of the Focus and mix the two medications thoroughly so that they bind together. (You always add five times as much of the Focus as the amount of antibiotic you are using.) Once you have mixed the powdered NeoPlex and Focus powder together very well, you then add the resulting mixture to the tablespoon of thawed Mysis you have prepared and very gently but thoroughly mix the powder and Mysis together so that the medications bind to the shrimp. You can then either feed the medicated Mysis to your seahorses immediately or freeze it for later use.
Once you have prepared the medicated Mysis, you feed it to your seahorses twice a day for at least five consecutive days or as long as is takes for the symptoms to clear up.
Of course, you can prepare more than 1 tablespoon of the medicated Mysis at a time in order to make it more convenient, Seabiscuit. For example, if you wanted to prepare 5 tablespoons a medicated Mysis at one time, you would thaw out 5 tablespoons worth of your Mysis in advance. Then you would take, 5 scoops of NeoPlex (one scoop of NeoPlex per tablespoon) and 25 scoops of the Focus (5 times as many scoops of Focus as the antibiotic) and mix it together thoroughly with the five scoops of NeoPlex so that they blend together and bind. Finally, you would take the mixture of powders and gently but thoroughly combine the powdered medications with the thawed Mysis so that the medicine also binds with the shrimp.
If you want to prepare extra medicated Mysis in advance, it’s best to spread it out on a piece of Saran wrap or Glad wrap or aluminum foil, or something similar, so that you can cover it completely to protect it from freezer burn until you’re ready to use it.
Here is some additional information on the Focus by Seachem Laboratories, which explains how to use it to combine medication with food:
Seachem Laboratories Focus – 5 Grams Information
Focus ™ is an antibacterial polymer for internal infections of fish. It may be used alone or mixed with other medications to make them palatable to fish and greatly reduce the loss of medications to the water through diffusion. It can deliver any medication internally by binding the medication to its polymer structure. The advantage is that the fish can be medicated without contaminating the entire aquarium with medication. Fish find Focus™ appetizing and it may be fed to fish directly or mixed with frozen foods. Focus™ contains nitrofurantoin for internal bacterial infections. Marine and freshwater use. 5 gram container.
Types of Infections Treated:
DIRECTIONS: Use alone or in combination with medication of your choice in a 5:1 ratio by volume. Feed directly or blend with fresh or frozen food. Feed as usual, but no more than fish will consume. Use at every feeding for at least five days or until symptoms clear up.
Contains polymer bound nitrofurantoin.
Active ingredient: polymer bound nitrofurantoin (0.1%). This product is not a feed and
should not be fed directly. Its intended application is to assist in binding medications to fish food.
And here is an excerpt from an e-mail from another home hobbyist (Ann Marie Spinella) that explains how she uses the NeoPlex together with the Focus for treating her seahorses, Seabiscuit:
“When I bought the NeoPlex yesterday I also picked up a tube of Focus. According to the instructions, it says it makes the medication more palatable to fish & reduces the loss of the medication once it’s in the water.
So I followed the dosing instructions exactly. I used regular frozen mysis instead of PE. I figured it was softer & smaller. I was thinking along the lines of more surface area for the medication to adhere to & with the softer shell hopefully it would absorb into the shrimp a little better.
I used 8 cubes which came to just about 1 tablespoon. I thawed & rinsed the shrimp thoroughly in a little colander & let it sit on a paper towel to remove as much water as possible.
Then I put in it in a small dish & added the Focus & NeoPlex in the recommended ratio which is 5:1 (5 scoops Focus / 1 scoop NeoPlex). I mixed it thoroughly & added a few drops of Garlic Power.
Then I measured out 5 – 1/4 tsp. servings & 4 servings I placed on a sheet of Glad Press & Seal, sealed them & put them in the freezer, since it says in the instructions that you can freeze what you don’t use right away, & the remaining 1/4 tsp. I split in half & fed to them this morning. The rest I’ll give to them this afternoon & I’ll do this every day with the remaining shrimp that I already prepared & froze.
In the video you can see that the seahorses are eating it. Yea!!
Thanks for all of your help & I’ll keep you posted.”
Okay, Seabiscuit, that’s the rundown on using the NeoPlex together with the Focus so that you could administer the medication in the NeoPlex orally after adding it to the frozen Mysis for the seahorses daily meals.
If you feel that your seahorse is developing weak snick, then there may come a time when it refuses to eat frozen Mysis either, Seabiscuit. In that event, you can still keep the ailing seahorse eating by tempting the affected seahorse with live adult brine shrimp. Seahorses suffering from weak snick induced by an injury may have better luck slurping up smaller, lighter, soft-bodied prey like brine shrimp; if so, that will be enough to keep them going while they heal. You’ll want to enrich the brine shrimp to maximize its nutritional value, and gutloading the shrimp with an enrichment product high in HUFA and vitamins, such as Vibrance, is a good way to fortify it beforehand. Brine shrimp are filter feeders that will ingest whatever is suspended in the water with them, so all you need to do is add a pinch or two (or drop or two) of the enrichment formula to a small container of saltwater swarming with brine shrimp at least 30 minutes before you offer the shrimp to your seahorse.
Some hobbyists dealing with weak snick have had good success in coaxing the affected seahorse to feed by transferring the seahorse to a critter keeper or breeder net or similar enclosure that can hang within the main tank itself, and then adding a generous amount of live adult brine shrimp to the container. Within the enclosure, the affected seahorse does not have to compete with its tankmates for the live food, and it is easy to maintain an adequate feeding density within the confined space so that there is always a big juicy brine shrimp passing within striking distance of the hungry seahorse. Add one or two hitching posts within the critter keeper or breeder net so that your male can anchor in place and wait for a tasty brine shrimp to pass within easy reach, and give him an hour or two within the enclosure to eat him fill of the softbodied adult brine shrimp. You can monitor his progress from a nonthreatening distance away from the tank to see how she is doing. In most cases, the seahorse quickly becomes familiar with the routine of being transferred to the special enclosure at feeding time and associates it with tasty live foods and a full belly — positive reinforcements that make it a very nonthreatening, stress-free procedure for the affected seahorse — and, as a result, it may actually come to look forward to it after a few feedings. You can repeat this feeding process two or three times daily in order to fatten him up again, if your schedule allows.
Keeping the seahorse feeding in this way while it heals, or providing it with adequate nourishment is the key to resolving weak snick and other related feeding disorders. Many times the problem will resolve itself over time providing you can keep the seahorse well fed in the meantime. Providing your pony with plenty of softbodied adult brine shrimp that are easy to slurp up and swallow is one way to accomplish this.
Best wishes with all your fishes, Seabiscuit.
Pete Giwojna, Ocean Rider Tech SupportOctober 12, 2015 at 9:35 pm #5803seabiscuit27970Guest
I purchased the neopelx and focus and followed the directions given. I did see her snick five mysis. Maybe more. Hopefully, whatever this is, this will help. Im just glad she was a fat, healthy pony before this. Thanks for all you do!October 15, 2015 at 1:17 am #5805Pete GiwojnaGuest
Okay, that’s very encouraging that your seahorse proceeded to eat several of the frozen Mysis that have been medicated with the SeaChem NeoPlex and SeaChem focus. Getting the seahorse to ingest some good antibiotics in this way should certainly help if it has an active infection.
Both the neomycin sulfate in the NeoPlex and the nitrofuran antibiotics in the Focus have been found to be helpful in treating ailing seahorses in the past, so hopefully this treatment regimen will help restore your seahorse to good health again.
Pete Giwojna, Ocean Rider Tech Support
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