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October 9, 2007 at 11:25 am #1286MoonValleyAzMember
Well my girl is alive!! Each day she seemed to realize I was helping her, through the drama of taking her out of water to medicate her.
I was wondering how long will it take for the visual symptom to dissapear?
I still see the hills as I have described before. The valley doesn\’t seem as red as in the begining.
Also, As you said, my seahorse seemed well feed from the picture I sent you, so I\’m sure she can go many days without food, however she shows no interest in the mysis shrimp I try to feed her. I do add vibrance two, and Selcon. There also is a possiblility, she is eating, My hospital tank is well stocked with live food, It\’s very tiny, and probally easier for her to eat under this condition. I believe there is a smaller supply of food in the tank. Probally anyones guess, when she will want mysis shrimp again?
On a said note sort of. One of the My Sunburst is very pregnant again.!!! (The good part)….This is sad only because of the timing. After having birth twice, and not being prepared to at least try to save them, I set up the tank for just such the happy day, and now, the babies might have less of a chance of survival because I can\’t move them into a safe well stocked enviornment. I know raising them is difficult, But I said, last time, I got them to live for many days, what the heck, I will start a small tank, and keep it available for new borns.
JeffOctober 10, 2007 at 6:02 am #3842Pete GiwojnaGuest
It’s very difficult to say how long it may take for those pimplelike lesions to clear up completely. Are you treating her with antibiotics in a hospital tank, sir? If so, I would complete the regimen of antibiotics (most antibiotics require at least a five day treatment; others specify a 7-10 day treatment regimen), and continue to carefully administer the topical treatments.
Once the regimen of antibiotics has been completed, Jeff, it should be safe to return her to the main tank. You can continue to treat her topically once she is back in the seahorse tank, if necessary, and if the outward signs of the infection have not disappeared by then, you can treat her with antibiotics in the main tank via gutloaded live shrimp as well.
She may be off her feed due to the stress of the daily treatments or because of her strange surroundings, so hopefully she will resume feeding on the frozen Mysis when she is back in the main tank where she is comfortable in the familiar surroundings. But it’s very important to keep her eating in the meantime in order to keep our strength up, Jeff. She may well be grazing on some pods in your hospital tank, but it might be a good idea for you to round up some live foods to tempt her with just to be sure.
The Hawaiian volcano shrimp(Halocaridina rubra) are hard for seahorses to resist and the live feeder shrimp from Seawater Express would also be perfect for this. They provide bite-sized white shrimp (Penaeus vannamei) in batches of anywhere from 50 to 1000 each. They are hardy, easy-to-keep and disease free. I recommend getting the smallest of the "Snicking Shrimp" they offer for this purpose:
Seawater Express Inc.
Organic Shrimp Farm / Hatchery
Or the live Mysis from Sachs Systems Aquaculture would also be a good choice. You can obtain 200 live Mysidopsis bahia for $35 from Sachs and your seahorses will love them:
it sounds like you’re doing a wonderful job with the tropical treatments and that you have managed to halt the progression of the infection and kept it from spreading inward and eroding the tissue of her snout. Keep up the good work, Jeff.
Congratulations on your new brood of Sunbursts, sir! I know these aren’t the best circumstances to be dealing with another brood of babies, but if all goes well you will have many healthy broods to come.
Best of luck resolving your female’s snout problem once and for all, Jeff!
Pete GiwojnaOctober 12, 2007 at 1:22 pm #3843MoonValleyAzGuest
O.k. Thanks for your reply as always Peter.
Today, I noticed for the first time, the pimple like appearance has actually shrunk. Although I haven’t seen her eat frozen mysis. I think she is eating. She certianly is watching the mysis as it is added to the tank. (3 days). And there is a lot of live food in that hospital tank. (there werer no predators in tank before she was quarantined. I belive she may be eating the live food, it is all extremley small, and If I had her condition I know I could eat that easier than the mysis.
I am about at the
7 day mark with medication. I will continue tomorrow, and asses after work, and take your advise into consideration. It may be time to put her back.
The new brood, well there are still some in my sump. I am feeding but it’s wait and see. (I am aware of the difficulties to get them to live.)
Now on the cosmic side. Since all this happend at the same time. (male giving birth, and a sick female) Could she be stressed, like some expectant parent???? Could the stress caused the fungus/bacteria to take hold.
On a last note. I have 6 ponies, and only two were from the local phoenix area Ocean Riders horse gave birth, I wonder if the sick horse(not one of yours, but from a repulate business in Phoenix Got stessed caue she is a parent in this brood?
Not only the support you have given us and the adivise on treatmet has as this point helpeded Together I feel this girl will over come the grfinrand be well once again/
Hey I want to hang with you Help f a leave. Fit it in,
I have most of tomorrow mornni free. but i also got eh weekend…
Jest resmember I work wWunOctober 13, 2007 at 11:55 pm #3844Pete GiwojnaGuest
It sounds like you’re doing an excellent job with the treatments. It’s certainly very encouraging that the pimplelike lesions on her snout have not worsened or begun eroding away the underlying tissue, but are actually responding to the treatments and shrinking. And it’s wonderful that she has live foods available to her in the hospital tank that she can graze on at our leisure.
Once the regimen of antibiotics has been completed, you can continue the topical treatments with a silver sulfadiazine cream and antibiotic ointment after she has been returned to the main tank. And if you let me know what antibiotics you have been using, I can provide you with instructions for gutloading live shrimp with the medication so that you can continue to treat your with antibiotics orally after she is returned to your seahorse tank without disrupting your biological filtration.
I don’t think that the stress from breeding and producing a clutch of eggs could have contributed to her problem with snout rot, however. While producing a large clutch of eggs is demanding on the female’s bodily resources (a filly can lose 30% of her body weight after depositing a clutch of eggs with her mate), the unique structure of the seahorse’s ovaries prevents this from becoming too much of a burden.
Seahorses are fractional spawners and very well adapted for producing clutch after clutch of eggs. Females maintain a spiraling assembly line of developing oocytes (egg cells) at all times, only a portion of which are fully mature and are released at each mating (Vincent, 1990). This differs from the reproductive strategy of most fishes, which are multiple spawners that release all their eggs each time they mate and then start over, maturing an entirely new clutch of eggs from scratch for the next spawning.
The structure of the ovaries is unique to syngnathids. They are paired organs, which join to form a single oviduct (the seahorse’s version of a Fallopian tube) just before the urogential pore (Vincent, 1990). Oocytes spiral out from the center of each ovary, creating a coiled sheet of developing eggs at differing stages of growth (Vincent, 1990). The earliest or primordial eggs arise from the germinal ridge that runs the entire length of the ovary, and lie at the center of the coil from which they spiral out as they develop so that the fully mature eggs are the furthest from the center of rotation (Vincent, 1990). Roughly 20-25% of the outermost eggs in this ovarian assembly line are mature, ready to be discharged during ovulation and deposited with the male (Vincent, 1990). Thus, fully 70-75% of the female’s developing eggs are retained in the ovaries after mating, so a new clutch of eggs will mature relatively quickly and lie in readiness for the next mating cycle.
Seahorse ovaries are always active, busy creating and developing new eggs (oogenesis), forming the yolk (vitellogenesis), and resorbing any mature ova (atresia) leftover after mating or at the end of the breeding season (Vincent, 1990). Eggs in all 4 stages of development can be found in the ovaries throughout the year.
In short, breeding and producing large numbers of eggs is not so stressful on a female seahorse dead it could ordinarily result in illness. Most cases of snout rot are secondary infections resulting from a mechanical injury to the snout. They may have bumped or scraped their snout on a bacteria laden substrate while feeding off the bottom, or accidentally ingested a bit of gravel that irritated their tubular snout before it could be expelled. (Which is one more reason it is a good idea to train your seahorses to eat from a feeding station, which provides a sanitary surface from which they can feed.) Occasionally, snout rot will develop as a manifestation of a systemic infection, but it is most often associated with secondary infections following some sort of injury or problem with protozoan parasites.
Best of luck with the treatments, Jeff. Here’s hoping your female makes a complete recovery and is soon back in the main tank with a mate.
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